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======================================================================== /pmp/ DAP guide ======================================================================== A list of old and new DAPs worth getting. ============================== Old DAPs ================================ DAPs that have been long discontinued or only recently discontinued, but are still worth finding or using. [+] Sony Sony players often produce a warm, smooth sound. They also come with various sound enhancement technologies. Another feature on more recent models is SensMe, which scans your music library and creates mood-based playlists. While Sony separates players in different tiers, some of the players made in the same time period actually sports (near) identical hardware. Some older models requires SonicStage to transfer music, which is a huge pile of shit and probably won't work with any computer made in the last 8 years. Avoid. (-) A Series Walkmans Top end Walkman line. (-) S series Walkmans Lower end than A series, still good. (-) E series Walkmans Low end Walkmans. They work. That's it. E470 is right before these went downhill. Some have Rockbox support. (-) X1050/X1060 Old flagship Walkman. (-) Z1000 First Android Walkman. Runs Android 2.3. Unless you need Android there's no reason to get this. (-) F80x/F88x Old flagship Walkmans. The F88x is an upgrade of the F80x. These run Android. (-) HD5 Very old HDD-based player. Highly regarded for audio quality. Requires SonicStage, but still worth considering if you can find one for cheap. [+] Apple Apple has a solid range of DAPs. They are made for the mass market, so don't expect mind-blowing quality or fancy features. But they're very good for general usage. Many of them has Rockbox support. The Classic line is also highly moddable, and replacement parts are plenty. At one point, Apple switched to CS codecs from the old WM one. This is after Cirrus Logic bought Wolfson Microelectronics. Some people are too used to the old WM sound signature and complained about the sound of the CS codecs. Keep this in mind if you are used to the darker sound of old WM codecs. Requires iTunes to transfer music on stock software, but some PC softwares also support iPods. (-) iPod 1G/2G/3G/4G/Photo Very old iPods. The earlier models don't even have USB. You can still find some 4G/Photo, but it might be better to just go for the newer ones. (-) iPod 5G/Video Last PP+WM model. Can be found for relatively cheap, especially if it has a broken hard drive (which you can replace with a SD card). (-) iPod Classic (6G/7G) Last models of the traditional iPod line. Also the first to use CS codecs. The extra hardware power helps when using Rockbox. (-) iPod Mini (1G/2G) Similar to larger iPods, but uses a microdrive. You can replace it with a CF card. (-) iPod Nano (1G/2G) These also have Rockbox support, but their storage is small and non-upgradable. [+] Microsoft Occasionally Microsoft would try their hands at hardware. This is one of those times. Has some interesting features, notably the ability to play games made with XNA and built-in Wi-Fi. Requires Zune software, which is now defunct (but can be made to work). (-) Zune (1st gen 30GB) HDD player. Somewhat large and bulky. 3" screen. WM8978 DAC. (-) Zune 4/8/16 (2nd gen flash-based) Smaller than HDD models. Now features the "Zune pad", which is a touchpad on top of buttons, which actually works pretty well. (-) Zune 80/120 (2nd gen HDD-based) Improved upon the original. Also features the Zune pad. (-) Zune HD (16/32/64 GB) Touch based model, which runs on a Tegra SoC. 3.3" OLED display (480*272). Has a web browser built-in, so the Wi-Fi is less useless now. The UI is the precursor to modern Microsoft designs People had fun playing Audiosurf on this. [+] Cowon A Korean DAP make. Known for some well-beloved PMPs in the past. Also known for highly customizable Flash-based UI. You can find plenty of custom themes (UCIs) online. (-) S9 OLED touchscreen DAP with Bluetooth. WM8750L DAC. (-) D2/D2+ Touchscreen DAP with full-size SD slot. WM8985 DAC. Rockbox port exists, but is not stable. The D2+ has similar hardware but updated software. Cowon has a ton more of worthy DAPs. Just Google it if you come across one. [+] iRiver Another Korean company, formed by ex Samsung employees. Also made many good DAPs in the past. (-) H10 Rockbox support. WM8731 codec. (-) H340 Hard drive based, which can be upgraded. Rockbox support. There are many other models. [+] Creative Maker of high-end PC soundcards, and other things. They also happen to make PMPs as well. (-) Zen X-Fi Has Wi-Fi on 16GB and 32GB models, which can be used for media streaming. Rockbox support. (-) Zen X-Fi 2 Touchscreen & keys. Supports custom programs written in Lua. Rockbox support, but needs an external SD card. (-) Zen X-Fi 3 Touch keys and Bluetooth aptX. Rockbox support. (-) Zen X-Fi Style Rockbox support. (-) Zen Portable Media Center One of the few things that run Microsoft's PMC software. Only worth getting for the novelty. (-) Zen Vision M HDD based player. Apparently popular during its time. [+] Sansa (SanDisk) They've discontinued the good models. Unless you can find one for cheap, these aren't really worth it. (-) Clip+ / Clip Zip Once the Official /g/ DAP, these players have since been discontinued (due to the SoC EOL) and their price jacked up. They were /g/ DAP of choice due to availability, expandable storage, Rockbox support and low cost. The audio output is also surprisingly powerful for such a small device. Some Clip+ have started to show defects, such as failling OLEDs or loose/broken headphone jacks. Some also have failling flash storage (also affects Clip Zip). The Clip Zip is the same as the Clip+, but has a color OLED. Yes you can play Pokemon and Doom on these. (-) Fuze+ A PMP with larger screen than the Clips. Touchpad navigation, expandable storage. Rockbox port exists, but is unstable/has issues. (-) Fuze (v1/v2) Earlier verions of the Fuze, uses a wheel instead. Exandable storage. Rockbox support. There are other models as well. If you're interested in Rockbox support, read the Rockbox wiki carefully. ============================== New DAPs ================================ DAPs made in the past few years. ////////////////////// Cheap shit ////////////////////// [+] ATJ players There are trillions of these out there, quality ranging from "why even bother" to "hey it actually works". If it advertises ebook support, it's probably a ATJ player. It's the cheap Chinese player you might have as a kid, also known as s1mp3. One advantage they have over new, high-end player is runtime, these can last 20+ hours. Most support microSD card. ATJ automatically means no Rockbox. Doesn't help that the stock firmware is usually terrible. (-) AGPTek/Ruizu Wide range of players, some have bluetooth. (-) Benjie Nice design, often made of aluminum. [+] xDuoo (-) X2 ATJ player, but with respectable amp circuitry. Expandable storage. No internal storage. [+] Zishan/Walnut Sacrifice usability for sound quality. These don't have a screen and play few formats. Don't look very nice either. Most have replaceable opamp. (-) Zishan Z2 USB DAC + basic DAP. This one has native DSD support. AK4490 DAC. (-) Walnut V2/V2S Headamp + basic DAP. V2S supports more formats along with other software improvements. Fancy stuff for $25. [+] Sony (!) E39x Chink shit in Sony packaging. Avoid. Get the older E series. [+] SanDisk (!) Clip Sport (Plus)/ Clip Jam ATJ players, but twice the price. Avoid. [+] Benjie (-) T6 Bluetooth support, works as a client too. 24 bit 192kHz playback Works with external USB DACs with DSD support. CS42L51 codec. Expandable storage. No internal storage. The AGPTek Rocker is a rebrand of this. May get Rockbox support. (-) T1 Affordable hires player. WM8740 DAC. ////////////////////// Fancy shit ////////////////////// Fancy players with fancy specs, priced anywhere from $80 to $3000. Most of them are from China, meaning poor to acceptable firmware, poor battery life and no internal storage. They have very good sound quality for the price though. Unless specified, players listed here don't have integrated storage. [+] FiiO Probably the most popular brand in this category. Product ranges from entry level to high end. Cost a bit more than several other brands. Do yearly releases of their products. Most of their players control with a scrolling wheel. Also support inline headset controls. Also they have very nice looking designs. (+) X1 Entry level product. Line-out shared with headphone output. (-) 1st gen PCM5142 DAC. OPA2322 opamp. (-) 2nd gen (X1 II) Adds Bluetooth and a touch scrolling wheel. Neither work too well. PCM5242 DAC. OPA2322 opamp. (+) X3 Mid range product. Adds USB DAC feature and dedicated line-out with COAX support. (-) 2nd gen (X3II aka. X3K) Native DSD playback. Had USB OTG support before an update removed it. CS4398 DAC. (+) X5 High end product. Uses high end components. Dual mSD slots. (-) 1st gen PCM 1792 DAC. (-) 2nd gen (X5 II) PCM 1792 DAC. Improved audio architecture. (-) 3rd gen (X5 III) Now Android-based. uploads/S4/ pmp-guide.pdf